Discussion #2 Notes

Discussion #2 Notes
Leader: Brian Arata
Note taker: Kenner Bartos

Why does Pip say in chapter 14 that home has never been a pleasant place? Why is he ashamed of it?

Brian: when he goes to Havisham's, he sees that life is good for everyone and wonders why he is living in the slums. He thinks Mr. and Mrs. Joe never really tried to improve his life.

Luke: he is also tired of Mrs. joe, and she made home unpleasant.

How does Pip feel about working in the forge and why does he feel guilty for it?

Brian: he does not like dealing with Orlick. He feels guilty because they make the shackles that were also on the convicts like the one he helped escape.

Luke: he thinks the job is beneath him but does not want to upset Joe.

What was Pips reasoning for why Orlick disliked him?

Kenner: Pip thought that Orlick was afraid he would replace him

Why did Joe fight with Orlick?

Kenner: The fight started when Pip chose to take a holiday, and Orlick thought hr deserved one too. Mrs. Joe refused to let this happen and started yelling and fighting.

What happened to Mrs Joe at the end of chapter 15? Why does Pip feel guilty for it?

Brian: Pip felt guilty because the prisoners that attacked them were from the same place as the prisoner he helped escape.

Luke: Mrs joe got brain damage after getting hit in the back of the head.

Compare Estella and Biddy

Luke: Biddy is the nice one who isnt rich, kind and helpful to Pip. Estella is the opposite: snobby and rich and condescending.

What does the stranger do for Pip? Who did Pip think the benefactor was? Who did you think itvwas when you read and why?

Kenner: Jagger gives Pip money to go to school in London to raise his social status. Pip thinks the benefactor is Havisham. I thought it was Pumblechook because he has the highest social class.

Brian: I thought it was Estella because she could use it as leverage.

How does the money change Pip?

Luke: He thinks of himself as better than Biddy and Joe. He feels bad about it for a second, but then goes right back to it.

Why did Pip feel guilty after leaving for London?

Brian: He felt bad for leaving them without a real goodbye and acting like a snob.

How does Pip change?

Kenner: he starts off not thinking much of himself as a blacksmith's apprentice, but his ego grows when he grts the money.


Luke: he is constantly feeling guilty.