Discussion #3 Notes

Leader- Luke 
Note taker- Brian

1. Why is Pip overwhelmed when he comes to London?

Kenner- compared to where he grew up, London is a big, busy, and smelly city

Brian- He is probably also overwhelmed by the courthouse he is given a tour of, because this is where Jagger works because he is a lawyer

2. What were some things Pip liked about Herbert?

Kenner- His age because he was closer in age to Pip than other kids

Luke- Herbert was friendly, outgoing, and more of a teacher than Matthew

Brian- Pip's traits complement Herbert's and that is why they work well together

3. Where did Pip meet Herbert in the past?

Kenner- Pip fought him at the Satis house

Luke- Even though Pip kept beating him up, Herbert kept getting back up

Brian- How do you think the past experience will affect their relationship?

Luke- It was more for fun

Kenner- they don't seem to hold grudges

Brian- Can they use this to connect more?

Luke- I think they're over it and are just great friends now who can laugh about it

4. Explain Ms. Havisham' story?

Kenner- Ms. Havisham was supposed to get married

Luke- Her step brother wasted some of the family's fortune. Ms. Havisham was going to get married but the guy convinced her to buy her step brothers half of the brewery for a lot of money. The man never showed up, and ditched her at the altar 20 minutes before 9, which is why her clocks are that way.

Brian- and she thinks the man was in collaboration with her step brother

5. What is Jaggers like and how does he treat Pip?

Kenner- He seems to treat people poorly. He's a very angry and harsh person. He vigorously washes his hands at the end of the day too.

Luke- Jaggers even scared the judge in the courtroom because he is so forceful

Brian- He seems to have a soft spot for Pip however. He's not very harsh towards Pip, but he doesn't favorite him over the other boys either.

6. Compare Jaggers house to Wemmick's house and the Satis house.

Kenner- Jaggers is dark and dusty. He has weird sculptures and he sits on a weird "throne"

Luke- and he lives alone with Molly the housekeeper

Brian- The connection between the Satis house and Jagger's house symbolically are completely different. Even though the two houses were described similarly, they symbolically mean completely different things for Pip. The Satis house symbolizes Pip being stuck in a lower social class and not being able to apply himself in society. Jagger's house is a complete 360 from the Satis house for Pip. At Jaeger's house, Pip's opinion is taken in and valued.

Luke- Wemmick's house is describe as a dream castle. Completely opposite of Jaggers house.

7. How does Wemmick's personality change from when he is at home versus when he is at work?

Kenner- Wemmick is completely different at home than at work

Luke- He is more lively at home and almost happy versus being cynical at work.

Brian- Wemmick's house is like a dream cottage.

8. Describe the relationship between Pip and Drummel.

Luke- Pio didn't like him because he is stuck up. They got in an argument at one point.

Brian- And after that argument, Jaggers told Pip that he should stay away from Drummel.

9. How does Pip change by the end of this series of chapters?

Kenner- He's become an apprentice. He's becoming more of a gentlemen.

Luke- yes, Herbert is teaching him proper manners. He's starting to feel what it's like to be valued.

Brian- I agree. For the first time in his life, Pip's opinion is valued.

10. Make predictions on what will happen next.

Kenner- I think that all of the bad stuff from Pip's earlier life will come back and haunt him.

Brian- I have to agree with Kenner. I think specifically the prisoner will come back. He might just be walking on the street and Pip recognizes him, or they might become friends.

Luke- I think Pip will have to decide between Biddy and Estella soon. I think he will choose Estella and then he will regret it.